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Codex Information
Author: Robin Cruddace
State: Awaiting September Release


General Information
176 Pages
Cover features Sicarius
Less Ultramarine-centric (more chapters in the spotlight and then allowing for a proper expansion on the Ultramarines in a supplement)
7 different Limited Editions, priced at $115 USD (regular edition is rumored to be $58 USD)
Black Templars moved back into the codex. Confirmed
Black Templars get special mention in the White Dwarf by Robin Cruddace on why they were moved, and are the Battle Report army vs CSM/Daemons Confirmed
Black Templars are featured as one of the Limited Edition books Confirmed:


Space Marine Strikeforce $220 USD - 39 models


New Codex Rules
New codex focus is on synergies between units
Graviton Weapons are being brought into standard 40k Confirmed
Black Templars are in the codex. They retain unique access to the Emperor's Champion and Crusader Squads, their allies chart options and can take any option in the codex apart from Librarians. Their Chapter Tactic replaces Vows.


Chapter Tactics: (These still work even if the Space Marines are allied to another army, and, unless otherwise stated, apply to all models in the detachment)


No Chapter Tactics provide Fearless or Stubborn to the army.


Ultramarines: (May no longer elect to fall back from combat) Choose one of the following Doctrines: Tactical, Assault, or Devastator. The Tactical detachment re-roll ones while shooting, unless they're tactical marines and they re-roll all failed to hit rolls in the shooting phase. The Assault detachment re-rolls charges, unless they're assault squads, bikes, or attack bikes who get fleet. The Devastator detachment get to re-rolls on snap shots and overwatch shots, unless they're Devastators and they gain relentless as long as they're not disembarking from a transport in the movement phase


Imperial Fists: Bolter Drill, which allows them to re-roll any 1s with all Bolter weapons listed on page 56 of the codex (it does not work with Sternguard special rounds), additionally all Devastators and Centurion Devastators gain the Tank Hunters special rules and add a +1 to all rolls to damage buildings.


White Scars: +1 to jink save, auto pass on dangerous terrain, +1 to Hammer of Wrath attacks, Hit and Run on all units, except for Terminators and Centurions (both types).


Raven Guard: Stealth USR and the ability to use their jump packs in the movement and assault phase.


Iron Hands: Army wide 6+ Feel No Pain and It Will Not Die for vehicles and characters . Techmarines and Master of the Forge also get a +1 on their Blessing of the Omnissiah rolls


Salamanders: Re-roll any failed armor saves from flame based weapons, also with their flame weapons they get to re-roll any failed wounds or armor penetration that fail to cause a penetration or glancing hit. Additionally any character gets to master craft one weapon for free.


Black Templars: Crusaders (gives Adamantium Will and Crusader USRs) and Accept All Challenges, no Matter the Cost (Characters gain Rending and Re-roll To-hit Rolls in challenges).


Second Founding or Later Chapters: Use the rule of your Parent chapter.


Unknown Founding or Homebrew: Pick one.


Chapter Tactics can only be mixed by allying in a separate chapter (this implies a new rule allowing the codex to ally to itself).


Wargear:
Graviton Pistol: 12", S*, AP2, Concussive
Graviton Gun: 18", S*, AP2, Salvo 2/3, Concussive
Graviton Cannon: 24", S*, AP2, Salvo 3/5, Concussive
Grav-Amp: Re-Roll Wounds and Armor Penetration rolls with Grav-weapons
*Graviton weapons always wound on the same number as the target's armor save (example: against a Marine it's a 3+, against a Gaunt it's a 6+), against vehicles on a 1-5 it does nothing, on a 6+ it automatically Immobilizes the vehicle and removes 1 hull point. Rules are not yet clear how this applies to models without armor saves.
Graviton Pistols are available to almost any model that can take a pistol
Graviton Guns are a Special Weapon
Graviton Cannons are only available to Devastator Centurions
Flak Missiles available for +10 points
Auxiliary Grenade Launcher: 24" Rapid Fire
Chapter Relics include 2 swords, 1 Bolter, 1 set of armor, 1 Storm Shield, 1 banner.
Warlord Traits: 1 chart shared between all chapters.


HQ
Models:
New Captain Model Confirmed $30 USD - Plastic Clampack
New Librarian Model Confirmed $30 USD - Plastic Clampack
New Chaplain Model Confirmed $30 USD - Plastic Clampack
Reclusiam Command Squad 5 Man $90 USD - 5 Model Command Squad, Razorback, and Chaplain


Rules:
Special Characters are no longer required to run a specific chapter. Some Special Characters provide bonuses to units from their specific chapter though.


Characters from chapters can only be chosen by those specific chapters. For example: an army with the Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists) can not take Forge Father Vulcan He'stan as part of the main detachment. Characters can still be shared through the use of allying one chapter to another, however.


No Characters give Fearless or Stubborn to the army.


Captain Cato Sicarius:
15 point reduction in cost.
+1 to Reserve Rolls
No longer Seizes the Initiative on a 5+


Chaplain Cassius:
5 point increase in cost.
Gained Zealot USR (?)


Chief Librarian Tigurius:
65 point decrease
Mastery Level 3
Knows all disciplines
He can re-roll his dice when determining his psychic powers
He can re-roll reserves(even successful ones)
Helm of Hellfire is a psychic hood
He can re-roll failed psychic test
Statline is unchange


Forge Father Vulcan He'stan:
No change in points
Gives Meltas in the Salamander army Twin-Link.


Kor'ssaro Khan:
35 points cheaper
Moondrakkan 20 points cheaper
Bikes and Dedicated Transports in a White Scars detachment have the Scout USR
His bike does D3 Hammer of Wrath hits.


Lysander:
Increased cost by +30 points
Still retains Eternal Warrior
No longer has Bolter Drill instead allows all units in 12" with Chapter Tactics (IF) re-roll on morale and pinning test
Same statline


Marneus Calgar:
Rolls for 3 Warlord traits (re-rolls duplicates) and keeps all three
Terminator Armor now allows him to Sweeping Advance
25 points more expensive than his current incarnation
may take his Terminator Armor for 10 points
It still has a Teleport Homer.


Pedro Kanto:
10 point increase.
Makes Sternguard Scoring,
Uses Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists)
Retains 12" +1A Bubble
Has 4 Attacks, 4 Wounds


Shadow Captain Kayvaan Shrike: Can only infiltrate with jump infantry


Chapter Master:
Has 4 Wounds and 4 Attacks,
Still has Orbital Bombardment


Captains:
Replace Black Templar Marshalls (and to an extent Castellans) for Black Templars
10 point decrease base
1 Bike squad of at least 5 models (of which one may be an attack bike) may be taken as a troops choice per Captain on a bike in your army.
No other real changes.
Chaplains: Has 2 Wounds, 2 Attacks and the Zealot USR.


Librarians:
No longer have codex powers, but retain same disciplines in rulebook.
Only unit not available to Black Templars
Mastery Level 1 cost 25 points less
Mastery Level 2 is a 25 point upgrade
Can only get Invunerable Saves through the Relics (one is stated to give a 6++) or Terminator Armor


Master of the Forge:
Still the "shooty" HQ option.
Only access to an Invulnerable save is through Chapter Relics.


Helbrecht:
Once per game gives Hatred and Fleet in the Assault phase. It only works on units with Chapter Tactics (Black Templars),
Can take an Honor Guard (he's a Chapter Master)
Does not get Orbital Bombardment.
W4, A4 like the generic Chapter Master
Grimaldus:
Has the Zealot and the "It Will Not Die" USRs.
Units within 6" of the servitors get a 6++ invulnerable save.
He has 3 Wounds and 3 Attacks.


Emperor's Champion:
Combat Tactics (Black Templar) exclusive
Sword is AP2 (at Initiative), Master Crafted
Has 2 "stances", one gives +2 Strength (counts-as 2 handed), the other gives Rending
Always has a 2+/4++
Does not take up a FOC slot.
May be the army's Warlord


Command Squad:
May still take bikes.
No option for Jump Packs
No option for Terminator Armor


Honor Guard:
Honor Guard cost 10 points less per model
Retain Power Weapons, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Artificer Armor, Frag and Krak Grenades
No change to Champion, just points decrease
No listed option for Invulnerable save
Can not take Jump Packs


Elites
Models:
New Sternguard Kit Confirmed $50 USD - 5 Model Plastic Box
New Vanguard Veterans Kit Confirmed $50 USD - 5 Model Plastic Box
Assault Centurions Confirmed $78 USD - 3 Model box shared with Devastator Centurions


Rules:
Legion of the Damned:
All weapons ignore cover
5 points less a model


Sternguard Veterans:
Special Ammunition is unchanged.
Sternguard went down 3 points a model.


Vanguard Veterans:
Heroic Intervention no longer allows the unit to charge from Deep Strike.
New Heroic Intervention: No penalty for disordered charges and Sgt auto passes initiative check for Glorious Intervention.
1 point cheaper per model
Jump Packs cost 3 points per model
Now Elites


Assault Centurions:
Models come with Siege Drills, twin-linked flamers and Ironclad assault launchers.
Siege Drills are S9, AP2, Armourbane, Specialist Weapon and strike at Initiative.
Flamers can be traded for Meltas
Assault Launcher can be traded Hurricane Bolters.
They also have the following Special Rules: Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols (Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and ATSKNF.
They can purchase an Omniscope which gives the Night Fight and Split Fire special rules.
They can purchase a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.
They do not have an Invunerable save.
The Assault Centurion statline is as follows: WS4 / BS4 / S5 / T5 / W2 / I4 / A1 / Ld8 / Sv2+
The Assualt Centurion Sergent statline is: WS4 / BS4 / S5 / T5 / W2 / I4 / A2 / Ld9 / Sv2+
Centurions gain +1 Attack for having 2 Specialist Weapons in close combat.


All Dreadnoughts:
"Basically the same"
Assault Terminators:
Thunderhammer/Stormshield Terminators now cost +5 points each to upgrade
Points cost unchanged.


Terminators:
Heavy Flamer went up in points, while Assault Cannon and Cyclone Missile Launcher got the same points decrease.
No new wargear options.
Points cost for Terminators unchanged.


Troops
Models:
New Tactical Squad Box (with Graviton Pistol and Graviton Gun options in addition to everything else). Confirmed $40 USD - 10 model Plastic Box


Rules:
Tactical Squads:
Tactical Marines cost 2 points less each.
Tactical Squads are similiar to the DA version, and the Marines now cost 2 points less each.
Tactical Squads may not take 2 Specialist Weapons
Sergeants work the same as the DA codex


Scouts:
2 points less each
Can take Land Speeder Storm as a Dedicated Transport.
Telion remains the same points cost, but is updated to use the 6th Edition Sniper rules.
Telion is restricted to armies with the "Chapter Tactics: Ultramarine" special rule.


Crusader Squads:
Can take up to 2 Power Weapons/Fists in the Squad if a Sword Brother (Veteran Sergeant) is taken
Initiates cost the same as Tactical Marines and come with the same equipment (Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krack Grenades)
Initiates may trade their Bolters for CCW for free.
May take up to 10 Initiates and 10 Neophytes in a squad
May take a Land Raider Crusader as a dedicated transport
No special rules beyond ATSKNF and Chapter Tactics (Black Templars)
ONLY available to armies with Chapter Tactics (Black Templars)


Dedicated Transport
Models:
None


Rules:
Land Speeder Storm:
Now a Dedicated Transport for Scouts
Cerebus Launcher is now range 18", S 2, large blast, Blind
Other:
Black Templars may take Land Raider Crusaders as Dedicated Transports
Drop Pods hold 10 models


Fast Attack
Models:
None.


Rules:
Assault Marines:
1 point cheaper per model
No access to melta
Can not be troops choices


Bikes:
1 Bike squad of at least 5 models (of which one may be an attack bike) may be taken as a troops choice per Captain on a bike in your army.
Max size is 8 models
Scout Bikes:
2 points cheaper per bike
Still lay mines as per current codex


Attack Bikes:
+5 points per model


Stormtalon Gunship:
Now an official part of the codex, Death from the Skies not required.
Same as the Death from the Skies version.


Land Speeder Squadrons:
May be taken in units of 1-3
No real chances


Land Speeder Typhoon:
15 points cheaper


Heavy Support
Models:
AA Tank: "the Hunter" Confirmed $65 USD - combined Kit with Stalker Tank
AA Tank: "the Stalker" Confirmed $65 USD - Combined Kit with Hunter Tank
Devastator Centurions Confirmed $78 USD - 3 Model box shared with Assault Centurions


Rules:
Devastator Centurions:
Come equipped with twin-linked Heavy Bolters and Hurricane Bolters.
Hurricane Bolters can be upgraded to Missiles
Heavy Bolters can be upgraded upgraded to Twin-Lascannon or Grav-cannon and grav-amp.
They also have the following Special Rules: Slow and Purposeful, Decimator Protocols (Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase), Very Bulky, Chapter Tactics, and ATSKNF.
They can purchase a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.
They can be purchased in squads up to 6.
The Devastator Centurion statline is as follows: WS4 / BS4 / S5 / T5 / W2 / I4 / A1 / Ld8 / Sv2+
The Devastator Centurion Sergent statline is: WS4 / BS4 / S5 / T5 / W2 / I4 / A2 / Ld9 / Sv2+
Grav-Cannon is rumored to be AP2 (I am unsure at this time if this carries over to all Grav Weapons or not).
Grav-Amps allow you to reroll to wound rolls.
3 models with no upgrade cost the same as the current price of Predator with no upgrades


Stalker:
Each gun is: 48" Range, S7, AP4, Heavy 4
Can Split fire at reduces BS
AV 12/12/10
Does not have Interceptor
10 points more than the current price of Predator with no upgrades


Hunter:
60", S7, AP2, Armourbane, Heavy 1
AV 12/12/10
Does not have Interceptor
15 points more than the current price of Predator with no upgrades


Devastators:
Reduced points cost, close to the DA version
Signum still gives BS5 to one model in the squad


Thunderfire Cannon:
No change, same points cost.
Stormraven Gunship:
Official part of the codex, Death from the Skies no longer required to use.
Same points cost.


Vindicator:
"Basically the same"


Predator Tank:
Dakka Pred (Heavy Bolters/Autocannons) +5 points
Las Pred (Lascannon sponsons/turret) -25 Points


Whirlwind:
20 point cost reduction, no other changes


Brother-Sergeant Chronus:
Remains the same with a points cost decrease.


Lore
Centurions: A fairly recent adoption by the Space Marines, these suits are only 5,000 years old and are primarily used for line breaking. They are not piloted by Veterans, but rather by Assault Marines and Devastators instead.

Ça reprend en gros ce qu'on avait avant, mais un poil plus complet je dirais, avec quelques nouvelles infos (Champion de l'empereur qui n'occupe pas de slot par exemple).

et comme d'hab la garde d'honneur qui n'a pas le droit au jumppack.. Sympa pour faire du fluff chez la ravenguard...

kubiak a écrit:

et comme d'hab la garde d'honneur qui n'a pas le droit au jumppack.. Sympa pour faire du fluff chez la ravenguard...

Faut jouer blood et puis c'est tout ^^

ou pas... j'aime avoir du challenge dans mes listes d'armée... si c'est pour faire du copié collé ça ne sert pas à grand chose;..

A ce niveau c'est plus du défis mais de l'impossible ^^

Chacun à son fluff et j'ai bine l'impression que certains fluff avance plus vite que d'autre en faite ^^

j'attend d'avoir le codex entre les mains, mais en gros, comme le dex DA, ca réduit les couts en points pas mal...
En revanche, toujours sous réserve, je suis sceptique sur les centurions... une 2+ sans invu...à voir selon le cout en point...

Pascal va devoir jouer White Scars et tout repeindre

Oulà, oulà, mon cher Greengo, sache que je suis parfaitement capable de jouer des "Shadow Scars" ou des "Dark Riders" sans repeindre une seule fig. !...

Bon, Ok, comme tout le monde, j'attends d'avoir le Dex IRL...

une couv' collector minable pour 118$, bon je n'aurais pas le ravenguard

par contre, la couv de base est sympa...

31 aout

Escouade de 8 marines avec arme lourde et spéciale.
3 centurions pour 280 points ...

Citation :

Escouade de 8 marines avec arme lourde et spéciale.

On va en revenir aux escouade de 6 avec Plasma + Canon Laser ....

Citation :

3 centurions pour 280 points ...

Ca ne m’étonne pas plus que ca, ils sont bien résistants et sur-armés.

Sinon l'archiviste à une bonne tête!

Les scans du dwarf commencent à tomber : lien

Ultramarines -
Doctrine de combat : Ce détachement peut utiliser chaque doctrine une fois par bataille. Déclarez au début de votre tour quel doctrine vous désirez utiliser s'il y en a une, la doctrine dure jusqu'au début de votre prochain tour. Une seule doctrine par tour.
Tactique : Les unités de ce détachement relance les 1 au tir (NDT : pas de précision si c'est pour toucher/blesser, donc les deux par défaut), sauf pour les escouades Tactiques qui relancent tous les tirs manqués pendant la phase de tir.
Assaut : Les unités de ce détachement relance leur jet de distance de charge. Les escouades d'Assaut, Motos et Motos d'assaut gagnent à la place la règle Course.
Devastator : Les unités de ce détachement relancent leurs jets pour toucher en tir au jugé (y compris les tir en état d'alerte), en plus les escouade Devastators gagnent la règle Implacable sauf s'ils débarquent d'un transport pendant leur phase de mouvement.

White Scars -
Né sur la selle : les modèle avec la règle Moto passe automatiquement les tests de terrain dangereux, reçoivent +1 à leur sauvegarde de couvert de zig-zag. Ils gagnent un bonus de +1 à leur Force pour leurs attaques de Marteau de la fureur.
Guerre de mouvement : les modèles de ce détachements ont la règle spéciale Désengagement, cela n'inclut pas les modèles en armure Terminator, les Centurions d'assaut ni les Centurions Devastators.

Imperial Fists -
Bolter Drill : Les modèles de ce détachement relancent leurs jets pour toucher de 1 avec un pistolet Bolter, Bolter, Bolter d'assaut, Bolter lourd et armes combinées qui tirent en tant que Bolter. Cette règle ne s'applique pas aux munitions Hellfire, Kraken, Vengeance et Dragonfire.
Maîtres de sièges : les modèles dans ce détachement faisant partie d'une escouade Devastator et les Centurions Devastators ont la règle spéciale Chasseurs de Chars et ajoutent +1 au résultat sur la table des dégats des batiments.


Black Templars -
Accepter tous les défis, quelque soit le prix : Quand engagé dans un défi, les personnages BT relancent les jets pour toucher ratés et ont la règle spéciale Perforant.
Croisés : les BT ont les règles spéciales Croisé et Volonté d'Adamantium. De plus les BT ont accès à une escouade spéciale appelée Escouade de croisés.

Iron Hands -
La chair est faible : Les modèles de ce détachement ont la règle spéciale Insensible à la douleur (6+). S'ils bénéficient d'une autre Insensible à la douleur ils utilisent la meilleure.
Empathie mécanique : Tous les véhicules et personnages dans ce détachement ont la règle spéciale Il est invincible même si les véhicules n'ont pas la règle 'Tactique de chapitre'. De plus les Techmarines et les Maîtres de la Forge ajoutent +1 à leurs jets de Bénédiction de l'Omnimessie.

Salamanders -
Forgés dans les flammes (traduction personnelle ^^) : les modèles de ce détachements peuvent relancer leurs jets de sauvegarde contre une blessure causée par un lance-flamme et assimilé (mentionné dans le GBV). De plus ces mêmes armes utilisés par les modèles de ce détachement peuvent relancer leurs jets pour blesser ratés et jets de pénétration qui ne causent pas de Superficiel ou de Pénétrant.
Maître artisan : Pendant la séléction de l'armée chaque personnage de ce détachement peut améliorer une de ces arme, même une achetée, pour avoir la règle 'Arme de Maître' sans coût supplémentaire.


Raven Guard -
Attaque depuis les ombres : les modèles de ce détachement ont la règle spéciale Scout. De plus, le premier tour de jeu, les modèles de ce détachement ont la règle spéciale Discrétion. Les unités qui incluent des modèles avec la règle Massif ou Très massif ne bénéficient pas de cette règle.
Les Ailes de la Délivrance : Les modèles d'infanterie de saut de ce détachement peuvent utiliser leurs réacteurs durant la phase de mouvement ET la phase d'assaut. De plus ils doivent relancer tous les jets pour blesser ratés causés par les attaques de Marteau de la Fureur.

ouaip, ca amène un côté stratégique intéressant...

Je viens à l'instant de voir sur BOLS le prix du codex marounes , accrochez vous : 47 zeuros !!!!!!!!!! ............................    
Ca fait un peu peur , ce genre de nouvelles , quand tu rentres du boulot , je vais finir par choper des crises cardiaques à cause de GW , moi ......  

Je pensais bien revendre la bagnole pour m'offrir un chapitre...
Le de DA etait a 38, il était très beau, celui la sera magnifique alors...